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Posted by Max Brantley on Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 4:54 PM

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If the US would react to ALL the senseless killing of children with guns-

The Children’s Defense Fund report, which was released March 23, is based largely on U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data from 2008 and 2009. The group’s analysis found that 2,947 children and teens died from gunfire in 2008 and 2,793 died in 2009.

Over time, the report’s charts show, child gunfire deaths rose from the early 1980s to a peak of 3,625 in the homicide category alone in 1993. Gun deaths of children overall began falling until 2004, when homicides and suicides again began to fluctuate.

The group acknowledges that its analysis found that the total number of children and teens injured by gunfire fell in 2009 to 13,791 from a high over the last decade of 20,596 in 2008.

Among the report’s other findings:

The total number of preschool-age children killed by guns during those years — 173 —was nearly double the number of law-enforcement officers — 89 — killed in the line of duty.
African-American children and teens represented 45 percent of all guns deaths in their age group in 2008 and 2009, but only 15 percent of the total U.S. population of children.
The top cause of death for black teens ages 15 to 19 was gun homicide, while for white teens it was motor vehicle accidents followed by gun homicides.
More children and teens died from gunfire in 2008 and 2009 — 5,750 — than the number of U.S. military personnel killed in action in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Among 23 high-income countries in the world scholars have studied, the United States is home to 80 percent of all gun deaths, and 87 percent of all gun deaths of children younger than 15.

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Posted by Diogenes on 12/16/2012 at 5:21 PM

The 2013 NRA calendar features Ted Nugent standing over a junior high student he just bagged with his Barrett .50 sniper.

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Posted by ChildeRolandReturneth on 12/16/2012 at 5:33 PM

Diogenes, do the dates correlate with the rise of the Tea Party and right-wing hate radio?

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Posted by couldn't be better on 12/16/2012 at 5:37 PM

Bringing warmth to the cockles of Natural Hearts this Christm'tide . . . .

"Atheists Are Better for Politics Than Believers. Here's Why."

"Sensing the ebbing tide of faith since the last census, the blowback against unbelievers has been remarkably violently expressed."…

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Posted by Norma Bates on 12/16/2012 at 6:01 PM…

Whereas previously the law prohibited the center from storing data compilations on U.S. citizens unless they were suspected of terrorist activity or were relevant to an ongoing terrorism investigation, the new powers give the center the ability to not only collect and store vast databases of information but also to trawl through and analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior in order to uncover activity that could launch an investigation

The changes granted by Holder would also allow databases containing information about U.S. citizens to be shared with foreign governments for their own analysis.


The investigator in me understands that this is a very useful tool for investigators, and that it's not really any different than what acxiom does commercially.

It confuses me though, because I'm unsure of the implications................

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Posted by Vanessa on 12/16/2012 at 6:18 PM

"I don't want it near schools! I don't want it sold to children! That's an infamia. In my city, we would keep the traffic in the dark people, the coloreds. They're animals anyway, so let them lose their souls."

Don Zaluchi

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Posted by Doc on 12/16/2012 at 6:23 PM

Doc, I was at that meeting.

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Posted by eLwood on 12/16/2012 at 6:47 PM

Here's some links to 360 deg photograph in Utah. Just stunning.…………

hold down left key and drag cursor to rotate the photos in any direction.
The button for ski slopes in on the bottom left of each image. They're great too.

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Posted by eLwood on 12/16/2012 at 6:53 PM

"the new powers give the center the ability to not only collect and store vast databases of information but also to trawl through and analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior in order to uncover activity that could launch an investigation"

Vanessa, that sounds like the plot premise of a current hit TV series. This and similar laws have made the last 15 years the most freedom-destroying epoch in American history. As an investigator, you should be incredibly happy. It means lucrative job security for you, but personal insecurity for all Americans, including you.

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Posted by Jabberwocky on 12/16/2012 at 7:47 PM

Commit a crime, ANY CRIME, with a gun? Automatic 30 years in prison, no parole.

This may not help with preventing shootings involving crazies, but it might prevent your average criminal from using guns in robberies, etc. Plus, good gun owners get to keep their guns.

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Posted by spunkrat on 12/16/2012 at 8:19 PM

lol Jabberwocky. I have job security. I'm in charge of boys. They are 12 and 28 and 59. It's a full time job. I would be ecstatic to see homeland suckurity suffer budget cuts beyond the rest of the spectrum. And I, too think that the loss of freedom has been tremendous over the past 15 years. But it's been going on for way more than 15 years. The bottom line is that there are too many people, and the density requires rules and stuff that the wide open spaces do not. When I try and figure out how it might apply I can't really think of anything that they can do with it that they could not do without it.

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Posted by Vanessa on 12/16/2012 at 8:26 PM

Almost 30 hours since my Cox email has been down in NWA. Unfuckingbeliveable. You guys are a joke.

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Posted by scrapper72 on 12/16/2012 at 8:35 PM

"Commit a crime, ANY CRIME, with a gun? Automatic 30 years in prison, no parole."

That is the case for quite a few federal laws.

However the main result seems to be that it allows prosecutors to pile on charges and threaten people with 300 year prison terms. When the prosecutors have a weak case they can get an easy plea bargain.

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Posted by Gylippus on 12/16/2012 at 9:27 PM

This is somewhat off topic, but does anyone have a list of phone numbers and e-mail addresses for our esteemed Reps and Senators?

It sure would be handy to contact these people.

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Posted by Charles Eddie Smith on 12/16/2012 at 10:23 PM

Vanessa - Eric Holder is the worst, but the real problem is that a lot of people just don't care about their own privacy rights. It is especially a problem with the younger generation that relies exclusively on social media for information.

When the data is collected through commercial services, the government can buy it like anyone else - or intercept it. So far, it turns out that a billion people are willing to be tracked voluntarily by Facebook. The users post everything, including some extreme cases like videos of crimes they've committed - burglaries, assaults, etc.. It's astonishing that some people would publish evidence that can be used to convict themselves, but it happens all the time on Facebook. The prosecutors can't be expected ignore it.

Posted by radical centrist on 12/16/2012 at 10:59 PM
Posted by Sellercreek on 12/16/2012 at 11:41 PM

Mandatory jail time is stupid stupid stupid. Limit ammo if not guns.

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Posted by Didi Sallings on 12/16/2012 at 11:49 PM

Evil hacker geniuses go after evil church idiots for threatening to show up in Newtown...

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Posted by Bulkington on 12/17/2012 at 12:09 AM

For those so inclined, you can sign a petition here for dealing with gun control:…

Murdoch's tweet and a response:

I haven't seen it but I read this report:

"Well, Mornin Joe is on the case. He says “Good luck to the gun lobbyists. . .The battle we have to win is for the safety of our children”. I have to say this, he’s taking this head on. He’s including violent movies and video games and rejecting his former ideological views on gun control."

This is a 180 for Scarborough as he always had a 100% rating from the NRA.

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Posted by the outlier on 12/17/2012 at 5:57 AM

There are all kinds of morons out there. Some of them seem to be football fans.…

Posted by the outlier on 12/17/2012 at 6:15 AM

I'm listening to the call-ins on C-SPAN---lots of demands for more socialism in the form of mental health treatment. Also a lot of callers are suggesting a cop at every school.

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Posted by the outlier on 12/17/2012 at 6:39 AM

The UK Guardian had a run down of laws around the country being pushed by the NRA.…

It seems like the NRA is aiming for a MAD world. If everyone is packing, no one will shoot first.

Of course, that won't stop the accidental deaths like that toddler in OK a few days ago. It won't help the Secret Service Agent who shot himself in the butt while holstering his weapon at a shooting range---or the guy in Reno who shot himself in the butt in a movie theater when his weapon fell out of his pocket. It won't stop the domestic violence deaths or the suicides.…

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Posted by the outlier on 12/17/2012 at 7:10 AM

or bring back the boy whose dad forgot there was a bullet still in the chamber when he failed to sell the gun.

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Posted by Verla Sweere on 12/17/2012 at 7:21 AM

Concerning the fiscal cliff, Romina Boccia of the Heritage Foundation has a different angle on it and it involves Bill Clinton:

Many are proposing that tax rates for upper-income earners go back to their levels during the Clinton Administration. What you don’t hear is how we can return to Clinton-era spending levels. That would be a real solution to the upcoming fiscal crisis, and the President could lead the way.

The President says he wants Clinton-era marginal tax levels for families and small businesses earning more than $250,000 a year ($200,000 for individuals). However, tax rates for these earners would actually go up much more because of Obamacare tax hikes already signed into law.

Never mind that this would slow growth and hurt job creation. And no, these tax hikes won’t balance the budget—not next year, not the year after, not ever. Under Obama’s budget, federal debt would continue growing by $7.7 trillion even if the President gets his favorite tax hikes.

The debate over tax hikes is just a distraction from what is really going on: Washington has a spending problem, not a revenue problem, and President Obama is at the helm. According to the White House Office of Management and Budget, President Obama’s two-term average spending level is projected at 23.4 percent of gross domestic product (GDP).

In comparison, President Clinton’s historical spending average was 19.9 percent of GDP. While revenues are set to return to historical average levels of over 18.1 percent as the economy slowly recovers, spending under current policy is projected to remain well above the historical average of 20.2 percent.…

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Posted by SalineRepublican on 12/17/2012 at 7:23 AM

Good morning, Verla. I'm sorry to have involved you in my contretemps with Steven E yesterday. He just really, really pissed me off.

Plainjim is right about the cowardly charge. If you're going to call someone ugly names, have the guts to do it to their face.

You are too much of a lady to respond. Me? I'm no lady.

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Posted by the outlier on 12/17/2012 at 7:28 AM
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